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Author:  wiz [ 04 Sep 2010 08:59 ]
Post subject:  Re: I'm thinking of taking an extended trip and need advice!

Donhollio wrote:
BrianW wrote:
Don,

Why do you prefer Ukraine over Russia? I am leaning towards Ukraine at the moment.


UA has far more freedom of movement. You can enter with a few bucks in your pocket, maybe have a address where you'll be staying ( I was never asked when entering by rail) and that's all.
RU on the other hand makes you registar every city you visit if it's more than 3 bussiness days. I won't go into details as I already have Ras on a low boil. ;) But the entire thing is a huge waste of time. Read my TR ( RUA) about my visa BS while in Russia. It's a sad way to treat any tourist.
UA also is better geared for the tourist,( thats not saying much) but it is better than RU or UZ.
I found Russia to have nothing easy for a tourist to do. Getting a place to rent is a chore, why? Well because hotels no longer can registar you like in the past, so the owner of the apartment needs to come with you to registar, and once you leave they must de-registar you. The first part can take up to 3 hrs BTW.
That being said, I would go where the girl is, but if you want freedom of movement UA is where you'll find it IMO.


Don

Have you ever read my travel and other reports about Russia?

Also those posts made by Julian and other people?

Young Brian I would suggest to you to have a good read around and you will find a lot of objective reports and very soon you will understand why it is easier to travel to Ukraine.

Unfortunately the Russian Government is not ready to abolish any Visa and other requirements for a host of reasons...... but when 2014 comes and the Olympic games in Sochi take place they will have to drop it.

Don is right to what he says about the visa and registration regime and I personally together with other people had problems registering our Immigration cards and that is a huge pain in the back!

Finally read his last comment. if you find the right woman you will go where ever she goes.! [biggrin.gif]

Author:  Donhollio [ 05 Nov 2010 14:17 ]
Post subject:  Re: I'm thinking of taking an extended trip and need advice!

Hello Brian, I'll reply to your question you have at RWD since there seems to be a problem with my ability to post, and move about the forum. I'm sure its a slight glitch as I had full parole the last time I logged in there. Anyway you asked where would you stay Dnepropetrovsk or Kharkov. I've spent time in both cities and I would take Dnepper. To me Kharkov was just a huge city, and like Ed said, it looks like any other city in the FSU. Take a visit there for sure, but I found Dneppper to be more enjoyable. They now have a nice river walkway system, some easy trams to get around, a few agencys to drop in and have a look if a date is needed.
It also has nice areas to hang out, all along Karl Marx (the main street)

Author:  Turboguy [ 05 Nov 2010 16:24 ]
Post subject:  Re: I'm thinking of taking an extended trip and need advice!

I just answered your post over on RWD but will post an answer here as well. I have been to both cities you asked about. Kharkov is a typical FSU city. Big, Soviet style buildings, nothing bad, nothing special. Dnepropetrovsk struck me as either one of the nicest cities or possibly the nicest city that I visited in the FSU. I loved the riverwalk and they had a nice central area in the town with free concerts in the evening. It seemed clean, prosperous and safe. If I had to live somewhere in the FSU and had no reasons to pick a city other than liking the city it would be my choice. Kiev might come in second. Kharkov would be low on the list but there is nothing wrong with it.

Author:  Donhollio [ 05 Nov 2010 23:32 ]
Post subject:  Re: I'm thinking of taking an extended trip and need advice!

Just wondering why you wish to live in the mentioned cities? Western Ukraine is very nice as is the Crimea area. Odessa would be another good choice, though I don't have much good to say about the pretty well spoken agency girls there.
I think you wanting to learn Russian is sound, but you'll get more socialising in with being in a ESL school where the girls are looking to improve their English... trust me, once the girl gets a reasonable grasp of conversation they will enjoy being in your company. Now thats not to say your going to get laid with everyone, but it'll open a good social network.

It does appear Dnepropetrovsk is a clear winner! [thumbs.gif]

Author:  Donhollio [ 08 Feb 2011 00:32 ]
Post subject:  Re: I'm thinking of taking an extended trip and need advice!

Did Brian ever get to his extended vacation?

Author:  Ecocks [ 08 Feb 2011 01:26 ]
Post subject:  Re: I'm thinking of taking an extended trip and need advice!

He;s been there (Dnepropetrosk) 4 days now.

Author:  Turboguy [ 08 Feb 2011 23:03 ]
Post subject:  Re: I'm thinking of taking an extended trip and need advice!

Yes, as of yesterday he had not met any women yet and was getting over the jet lag and adjusting to his new surroundings.

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