You just proved with your long post the main reason that justify wiz's decision to post such article!

It is clear that his intention was to provoke long discussions ..... and on the way, with the various member's posts, all the misconceptions, derogative remarks and untruths about Russian women to be disproved and shown that are wrong.

Such articles do appear around the net and the various fora, so it's better to talk about them and clear up the negative impressions that create.

Talk about trying to turn defeat into victory...
You'd make a good spin doctor Yannis.

I have never said that the article should not have been posted.

What dumbfounds me is that anybody with a modicum of real knowledge about Russia can agree with any of the points raised in the original article.

Haven't I said in the past that I will join your party when you try to be elected as PM?

Raffi

You are back to your original statement........ that the article is a total BS!

We have moved on in our discussion but now have no time to go back and find the points you have agreed......

Yannis,
I will start by quoting Malcolm.
Yannis,
Only a spin-doctor will attempt to defend the indefensible.
Moved on?

Have I ever changed my opinion about the original article ?

Do you not think that by now it is time for you to admit that the article does not bear any resemblance to reality?

Then we can move on and discuss why people should not take such articles as gospel.

I am not a spin-doctor neither defend every single comment that the OP has made. I said before that few of his comments apply even today.

You on the other hand made a Blank statement that everything is Bull Sh..t and stuck to it like a little dog that doesn't let go of the bone in his mouth!

Sorry but I have seen several things to be true even today and your reality is different from mine. May I suggest you go back and read other peoples comments, like Julian's and you will find him confirming certain things too.

I am fully aware that you will continue your crusade to prove everything I post wrong, regarding this article, so I think it's time to ask Moby to be back to keep you company!

Finally here are few comments and snippets by the OP which I think are applicable even today, and will not spent more time searching yours and his post to prove the reality of today, as you put it!

True even today.

Very true.
Many women there who advertised themselves on dating sites do use sex to achieve their aims. Read around these boards and you will find many examples.

You don’t have to believe me but many of our members, like Turbo, Shadow, Markje, Sparkee and other can give you plenty of examples.

True

Russian women are looking (they say in their profiles) for a strong man and they mean, financially secure, a man to make the decisions for them, and able to provide and buy them and the family what they want! Nothing is wrong with that as the same applies over here too.

It is true that please and thank you is not part of their everyday vocabulary and takes times for them to get use to it!

Very true.
No sex education and no magazines talking openly about sexual matters as can be found in the west!

No single woman easily will accept to come to your hotel room because of the way they are treated by the security guards, who only allow the prostitutes that sitting in the lobby of the hotel to visit clients and get their commission.

Is that enough for you to admit that certain things apply still today in Russia?

Absolute rubbish. I see people showing affection all the time in Russia. Couples holding hands, couples with their arms around each other, couples hugging and kissing etc. I see it every day in Moscow and I saw it every day in St. Petersburg and other towns I've visited. Your claim is nonsense and you have no evidence to back it up.



No it isn't, you just think it is because you have an unfortunate imagination.
You want to tar every woman with the same brush just because a few smart women take some sad losers to the cleaners?
This doesn't just apply to Russian women, I'm certain that there are women from all over the world who use dating agencies with the express purpose of scamming men. But then I also regularly read about men who con wealthy women of a certain age out of millions. They ususally call themselves Baron Louis DeVille Rothschild-Bourbon of Saxe-Coburg, or some such epithet, when their real identity is Graham Tweddle, an unemployed gigolo and practising onanist from Catford.



As I said before, any bloke who gets his wallet emptied in the hope of getting sex from a woman they meet on a dating site deserves no sympathy. But it doesn't mean Russian women should be eternally portrayed as prostitutes.



I think this just demonstrates wishful thinking on your part. Unless you can provide empirical evidence to substantiate your risible claim.




This applies everywhere, not just in Russia



I don't accept this at all. My wife and her family and friends have exceptional manners and always say please and thank you. Again, you tar everyone with the same brush. Of course there are still people who don't smile or say please or thank you, especially in beaurocratic and official jobs but it's getting better. But that doesn't mean Russian women in general are ill-mannered or rude.



No it isn't and you have no evidence to prove this stupid nonsense. This bloke is a fantasist and I'm beggining to think you're following his lead.
Women being arrested for going to someone's hotel room??
Utter garbage. This is beyond laughable.
It may have been true during Stalin's period but not now.



Yes there is and yes there are. Look in any magazine kiosk and you'll find any number of magazines where sex is openly discussed. In fact, they're the same magazines we have in the West.
Sex education is now taught in schools.



All I can say is you must frequent some very dodgy hotels.



Nope. You've got to present a much more compelling and persuasive argument re-inforced with proper empirical evidence rather than relying on the fantasies generated by your delusional imagination



To any new readers who may be confused by all this piffle about Russian women, I will say only this:
Russian women are the same as women from anywhere else except that they're Russian ,and as such, they will appear different to British or American women only inasmuch as they are not British or American. There is a difference between Russian culture and British and American culture, which is why Russian women appear different.
Do not pay any attention to the idiotic article posted under the heading of "Do Russian women make good wives?" it is the work of a febrile fantasist who has probably never even met a Russian woman.

Q.E.D.

That statement is untrue.
Please don't misuse the expression.
The exception proves the rule" to try and prove that you are right.
Because it is your misconceptions that provide the exceptions.

I accept that there are women that will use their body to achieve their financial goals.
There is a name for that type of woman.
I accept that there can be a name change depending on whether payment is demanded upfront or whether it is put on a tab to be paid later.
The original article is trying to imply that this description applies to all the women in Russia.

I sincerely hope that you are not implying that the majority of the women in Russia are like that.
This is very important so I will repeat it.
I sincerely hope that you are not implying that the majority of the women in Russia are like that.


Quoting a partial quote and pretending that the quote is complete is an act of desperation. Here is the quote of the full paragraph from the original article,with the pathetic one line that you used in your quote highlighted (colour change) just to emphasise that the statement that was made only so that it could then be ripped apart, torn down and trashed.

That statement is pure bullsh*t, I have even seen mothers ask their children "Have you said Thank You" and some of those mothers have never been involved with someone from a non Russian culture.


Again a partial quote and twisted to suit your argument.
I will address this in two parts.

From the original article.
"arrested and taken to jail" sorry but that statement is a figment of imagination of the author of the original article furthermore he contradicts himself on one hand he states that women were inviting themselves to his hotel room and on the other hand he states that they were putting themselves at risk of being incarcerated.

Your comments.

• The sexual repression that you are commenting about whether true or false (more on this later) has nothing to do with the sexual repression that is inferred to in the original article. please compare like for like and do not make imbalanced comparisons.
• Sadly there is an element of truth in your comment (absolutely nothing to do with the original article) about the shenanigans of the security goons in hotels in Russia, I cannot comment on all hotels because I have only ever invited a woman to visit me in my room in one hotel and yes at some point I had a problem with the hotel security.
  Still there is a huge difference between hotel security attempting to extort money and someone being arrested by the police and taken to prison.

With reference to sex education, if you are referring to sex education taught in schools then you are so far of the mark that it is not even funny.
With reference to magazines talking openly about sex, because I do not read such magazines I will have to accept your word that such magazines exist in the west and that they do not exist in the east.
Even so this has absolutely nothing to do with the original article.

If you wish to invite Moby back then why don't you do so.
And you will act like a Cyprus donkey.

I will have to agree with you that the original article does state that there are cultural differences between America and Russia.

Do you think that, that amazing revelation in the original article is sufficient for me to accept that the original article portrays the truth about Russia today?

Please answer this specific question with a yes or a no.

Apart from that from the original article the list of things that apply today to is:
In Russia there are

• women
• men
• parents
• children
• beds
• cars
• hotels
• in the hotel there is a room (at least one)

• The author of the article thinks that communism is dead
• The author of the article has experience of sex with dead horses