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Post Number:#21  PostPosted: 04 Jan 2011 21:18 
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Wiz,

Some things will amaze you. The topic seems to have fallen silent at the time.
I did post the document, and was wrong to do so, although if it would have been under Dutch law things would have been rather different. As video and software makers have found long ago, anything without a distribution notice is fair game around here.

As for any exchange with Manny yesterday, I gave a short but pretty strong reply to his PM, hardly worth reading.

As for the site, I will wait for it to open to make a judgement. Something tells me it is not as simple as it may look right now.

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Nothing amaze's me anymore.......

I just heard that he banned another member who is a moderator at RMP because the new mods ban him there. [lol.gif]

Soon it will be the same situation, as it happened when Dan banned many people and they moved to RUA.......I wonder where is Jinx.......to have fun! [sarcastic.gif]

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You're welcome, Wiz. [biggrin.gif]

You did a good job of unveiling what's really going on. I still don't get what the mystery is all about. Agencies are pretty much gone in Novosibirsk already, and in my opinion that's only made it easier for real men to meet real women.

Well, I'm just dropping by to say hello. I'd participate more, but I try to ignore all forums these days unless somethings drags me to post (like the RUA newsletter with this lame 'report'). [tonque.gif]


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Hello Jooky [hi.gif]

and welcome to the board! [clap.gif]

I am sure Stuart will claim that I created your account.... to increase my membership and stop talking to myself! [lol.gif]

To be honest I don't understand their game either.......obviously they don't know that Honesty and Transparency in any business or any walk of life is the best Policy and always pays off at the end of the day!

I always disliked the idea of using any agency because it's such obvious and horrible way to go about finding a woman or a partner in your life. I don't see why I should have to pay an agency to introduce me to a woman, translate my letters etc When I can do all that myself!

How the hell you can trust such an important matter into the hands of a stranger who is out to make money?

Finding a woman to be your partner in life is not like ordering a pizza and using a Dating site, run by an agency or a brokering company that is out to make money is not in my view the ideal option. Maybe this type of transaction is prevalent to the American's as Turbo has explained in one of his past posts, but not goes well with the Europeans.

There are many FREE dating sites around and if you move your A$$ and follow certain basic rules for sure you can find the right woman.

  • Why get involved with a woman who can't communicate with you with even very basic English or another common language?

  • How do you expect to build a good relationship without good direct communication?

  • Are you looking for a partner to share your life or a skivvy and a sex slave to use?

    If you are looking for the latter then it is much cheaper to find one near your home!

Despite the shocking Headlines, Stuart's publicity material and articles everywhere, Andrew's Spinning for his project or money making plan the truth is that Men/women around the world will always be able to find and meet a man or a woman from another country and that is going on for ever and memorial.

The use of a brokering means for marriage always existed in one form or another, my parents were introduced from the local babushka who got a present from my father for her efforts. It is not only the American's who invented the MOB business but they made it from small operations to a very large scale one and the other's followed suit! As you very well know Russian/FSU brides are not the only women commodity (on the world) in this business...... [wink.gif]

Now due to circumstances the American companies are changing the model to avoid IMBRA and the two "Independent" visitors to Florida ....... in their reports did nothing to dispel the opinion we have about such organisations.

Of course our friend Stuart (oh yes he is up to his neck behind this project) together with his friend Andrew could not miss such an opportunity of making a few (maybe a lot) of $$$$$$$.

[smoke.gif]


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Oh yes you do read our board daily! [biggrin.gif]

Sorry about my pigeon English, BUT....I am sure you get the drift, as I am not an AUTHOR like you! [sarcastic.gif]

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Post Number:#25  PostPosted: 05 Jan 2011 14:00 
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Letter from Stuart (Manchester-RUA)

This morning I received the letter below from Stuart (Manny from RUA) and he gave me his permission to post it here. Of course he knew that over here, I will not act surreptitiously and openly will discuss everything including letters of complains or other comments that he makes for me or our board. The only changes I made to his letter is that I numbered his comments to make it easier when replying to him. I expect he has no objection to that!


Yannis,

Good to see you are having fun on your blog with your conspiracy theories. Just a couple of points:

  1. "NOTE: My reasons for asking if I can post the full article here, without breaking any copyright Laws, is that it's important evidence as it was this article that finally gave me the answer to my suspicions regarding Andrew's document and motivation behind his project!"

    The answer is no you cant steal content from other sites; visible to you or not. Doing so will get yours closed down. Again. I see you are heading that way.

  2. "To [sic] funny Yannis You don't have permission to report on any of Andrews work but Manny is offering to loan Shadow a copy on RWD as long as he destroys it."

    Not only can the wannabe lawyer not spell, but his recollection of the facts is also incorrect. Thank god he is not a real lawyer and only one in his imagination! I offered to lend Shadow a copy of the RWD Newsletter where Dan was promoting Andrew's scheme. It was a fun response to Shadow offering to *lend* others a copy of Andrews report.

  3. "If I publicly promise to delete them, would you sent me copy of the emails or PM communication you had with Manny and I read about it on RWD?"

    I think you will find that they are RWD copyright.

  4. Please get your facts right if you are going to gossip on your three-member blog. BTW, EVERYBODY knows you and "Luckyspin" are the same person. Your dubious English gives you away every time.

  5. You are welcome to publish this ENTIRE email on your blog.

  6. But really, the acquisition of a life should be your first priority.

Stuart.

I hope you do not have any objections for numbering all your points and also for highlighting certain comments of your?

It is very accurate reproduction of your own letter!
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Post Number:#26  PostPosted: 05 Jan 2011 15:26 
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My replies to Stuarts comments!

Stuart

You know very well that after my retirement, I am always looking to have fun and a good time, either by travelling in England or Abroad with my wife, visiting many nice places, messing around in my garden or playing around on the boards, when real life permits and yes I do get a lot of laughter doing that!

As a pensioner what else you expect me to do, sit on my sofa, watch TV and becoming a couch potato?

Sorry but that's not me! [wink.gif]

On the boards. at least, I can continue practising my English [tonque.gif] and also learning lots of technical skills and new things, something that eludes you.

On the other hand, YOU don't have the luxury of my age, You are still very young and you have to work very hard to earn quite a lot of money to support you dependent families. I don't have so many responsibilities like you! My children are grown up and doing very well for themselves, my wife works for her pocket money and self esteen reasons and I have enough to pay my bills and my hobbies! [veryhappy.gif]

To be honest I don't know where you find the time to deal with so many pies in you hands and the various business and other activities you are involved and don't worry, I would not name here all your business interests, only your Internet forums and blogs! [tonque.gif]

Talking about Blogs, you always refer to our board as a blog, which it is not and I wonder if you know the exact meaning of such names, Blog or forums. Let me help you to understand better what you are saying:

  • BLOG: A blog (a contraction of the term "web log") is a type of website, usually maintained by an individual with regular entries of commentary, descriptions of events, or other material such as graphics or video. Entries are commonly displayed in reverse-chronological order. ...
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blog

    Derivative of "weblog." A series of entries to an online journal, posted in some chronological order. Sometimes used, incorrectly, by writers to describe discussion forums or even all websites not affiliated with offline publishers. A blog can be written by an individual or a group. ...
    www.ojr.org/ojr/wiki/glossary/ [lol.gif] [lol.gif] [lol.gif]

  • Definitions of Discussion forums on the Web:

    An ', or message board', is an online discussion site. It originated as the modern equivalent of a traditional bulletin board, and a technological evolution of the dialup bulletin board system. From a technological standpoint, forums or boards are web applications managing user-generated content.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_forums

Our board, Russian World Forums, is here functioning nicely. If we start comparing the appearance of our board Russian world Forums to your 3 boards, especially your busiest forum RUA, our board looks like the Miss World and yours like the 3 ugly sisters. [veryhappy.gif]

As I have predicted in Feb 2008 when you ban me..... your boards look like the Sunday sport or a Bazaar. ..[lol.gif]

Never the less I noticed that you removed Andrews advert from the front page of RUA..... such a horrible thing to see opening your board.....and thank you for emailing me your RUA letters. You still haven't found out how I get it!... HA HA HA don't bother wasting your time. I do not sign on your board any more..... No need, nothing of great interest to read apart from the last effort to flog your new venture.

RUA is full of Trolls, people who never been anywhere near the FSU and have 3000+ posts, all women have gone, You have ban many people lately and warned few of them, Your old policeman and hedge man Brass is deleting like mad everything and now you moved the decent to your PRIVATE forum the Dog Pile. Soon the few old timers will desert ship too..........and you will be left with the Trolls. Even Paul doesn't like the look of RUA now.

Look our board RWF, looking slick and like a colourfull pleasant Magazine where yours, RUA looks like a Tabloid and a meat Supermarket! [sarcastic.gif]

I think Dan has teach you very well.... and now you surpass him with your actions! [lol.gif] [lol.gif] [lol.gif]


Now that I have cleared all the above and I hope you understand me.... [tonque.gif] let me try to answer to your comments:

  1. I never thought that you are that naive to think, after our so many altercation about Copyright infringements, that you would think I don't know that I can not post your advertising blurb even after pooling off your article, "allegedly" from your Blog ..."The Real Deal", or you are refusing that you are not the writer and owner of that blog? ...... Scarlet Pimpernel had less alliances "Bouncing Billy" Mr Smith! [wink.gif] [lol.gif] Shall we leave it to that? [sarcastic.gif]

  2. You never make any typo mistakes? [tonque.gif] Of course I know what you offered to Shadow and that is why I also took the mickey! On the other hand do you think anybody who has downloaded the Document can't make copies and circulated and you think you can trace the emails too? [lol.gif] You appear to know so little after all these years........and more importantly you underestimate Shadows abilities! Big Mistake! [sarcastic.gif]

  3. Now you really crack me and my big stomach hurts from laughing. If Shadow decided to share your emails with me... do you think I am that naive to give you even a hind that I read your mails or by any chance play your heavy warnings, like you did with your advice to Andrew?
    Yes I know Andrew had a list of all my emails from our long time correspondence over the past many years!........ [sarcastic.gif]

  4. You know very well that I have my facts right, can't afford to be wrong with you as you will send the Heavies........and that is what you don't like about me! [tonque.gif]

    How many members?

    Only 3...... Did you forget to count Turbo, Shadow, Rasboinik, Malcolm, Moby, your Mods Chris and Voyager (they are not posting lately but both reading nearly every day), Vinny, Sparky, Donhollio, Markje, TomT, Legal, Olga and now Jooky from people you know, and just saw another mebers of yours registered here, while editing this post.......So these are more than 3 only from your board......[tonque.gif]

    ........but then it's me..... Wiz, LuckySpin, Hanna, Ladagirl, Smith, JR, DavidP, Manny, Manchester, and few more that can't remember now, but I think that is enough for now.

    Only 63 members and I will continue talking to myself!. [tonque.gif]

    Don't forget we don't need to have 1000's of members to justify any charges to our advertisers....We have NONE..... we just come and go as we please.....and have fun! [tonque.gif]

    As about Luckyspin.... you can think or believe whatever you like........it's for us to know and for you to wonder! [sarcastic.gif] [lol.gif]

  5. I did! [biggrin.gif]

  6. I refer you to the pre-ample at the top of this post!

Any how, there is this little matter of that link in my signature on your board, that you surreptitiously added and has nothing to do with me. Any chance of you removing it?

I know you that you visit our board daily......and have created an account.... [tonque.gif] but use very little.......because you can read everything in the open but can'd reply directly so I thought.... shall I create an account for you as Mr Smith, Manny Or Arthur Daley and use it to post your letters, any time you send me one?

You know very well that I will always post your messages without any changes and then reply on another post!

What do you think, Arthur?

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wiz wrote:
Few days ago I took a look at my old posts on RUA and discovered added on my signature a link to: Internet Dating and Relationship Forums. This link leads to a new board: freedatingforums ....... run obviously by somebody, called JR and its appearance is identical to the new style of RUA. It is pretty obvious who JR is and of course one of his first members is our friend Moby! [surprised.gif] ... Not surprised really because I always knew, as stated by him publicly here, that Arthur Daley and Moby are "socialising" and it's apparently clear why Arthur Daley let's him run freely on his board [lol.gif], ........ so I will let you use the WHOIS to discover who is is behind it, if you can! [sarcastic.gif]


I already responded to this, Wiz, but you are bad as bad as Manny / Stalin Dan as you leave a 'slur' and move the response to it 'elsewhere'.. NAUGHTY....

It seems this isn't the 'friendly board' but rather another soapbox for an ago :(..

To reiterate.. Manny told me about the board and I was happy to contribute there as I am to join and contribute here.. in fact I have posted FAR more on here - excluding my multiple attempts to get you to remove my copyright material... IF you move this message it will go straight back.. as YOU comment on me and I'm responding .. OK ?! [angry.gif]



wiz wrote:
Firstly let me categorically state that I have NOTHING to do with that link on my signature on RUA! [sad.gif]


If this is true that is a VERY despicable stunt

wiz wrote:
Moby

I stated clearly without making any accusations or assumptions, like many poster on RUA, that firstly I could not download the report but later in the afternoon I did!

Andrew only knows what went wrong with the downloading, in the morning!


My post was merely to tell you that *I* could.... that may be I arrived later... but I tried in the morning and it worked-- it was a hell of a palaver but it worked..

I hope you understand that my post wan't being sarcastic....

wiz wrote:
As bout the money side..... obviously you can't read, when you registered and asked to sent an email........ it was clearly there.......as an affiliate member! [tonque.gif]


Sorry.. you lost me there.. registered where - the 'new' site... ?

As ever, these boards seem to spend more time knocking each other than actually HELPING folk with mixed marriages, etc.


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  1. msmobyru wrote:
    wiz wrote:
    Few days ago I took a look at my old posts on RUA and discovered added on my signature a link to: Internet Dating and Relationship Forums. This link leads to a new board: freedatingforums ....... run obviously by somebody, called JR and its appearance is identical to the new style of RUA. It is pretty obvious who JR is and of course one of his first members is our friend Moby! [surprised.gif] ... Not surprised really because I always knew, as stated by him publicly here, that Arthur Daley and Moby are "socialising" and it's apparently clear why Arthur Daley let's him run freely on his board [lol.gif], ........ so I will let you use the WHOIS to discover who is is behind it, if you can! [sarcastic.gif]


    I already responded to this, Wiz, but you are bad as bad as Manny / Stalin Dan as you leave a 'slur' and move the response to it 'elsewhere'.. NAUGHTY....

    It seems this isn't the 'friendly board' but rather another soapbox for an ago :(..

    To reiterate.. Manny told me about the board and I was happy to contribute there as I am to join and contribute here.. in fact I have posted FAR more on here - excluding my multiple attempts to get you to remove my copyright material... IF you move this message it will go straight back.. as YOU comment on me and I'm responding .. OK ?! [angry.gif]


  2. wiz wrote:
    Firstly let me categorically state that I have NOTHING to do with that link on my signature on RUA! [sad.gif]

    If this is true that is a VERY despicable stunt
  3. wiz wrote:
    Moby

    I stated clearly without making any accusations or assumptions, like many poster on RUA, that firstly I could not download the report but later in the afternoon I did!

    Andrew only knows what went wrong with the downloading, in the morning!


    My post was merely to tell you that *I* could.... that may be I arrived later... but I tried in the morning and it worked-- it was a hell of a palaver but it worked..

    I hope you understand that my post wan't being sarcastic....
  4. wiz wrote:
    As bout the money side..... obviously you can't read, when you registered and asked to sent an email........ it was clearly there.......as an affiliate member! [tonque.gif]


Sorry.. you lost me there.. registered where - the 'new' site... ?

As ever, these boards seem to spend more time knocking each other than actually HELPING folk with mixed marriages, etc.



  1. Moby

    I just moved your other post because of all the other rubbish about copyright etc......
    Any how nobody cares if you followed Mr Smith to his new board........you are entitle to post anywhere you like, like you do here and on RMP.

    This board is very friendly for anybody who doesn't behave like a spoiled brat and I don't use it to satisfy my ego trip as you suggest! I will be very happy if you continue posting serious messages, without harassing me in every post of yours, and I wil be happy not to post any more.......but just read!

  2. It is very true and it was still there, one hour ago, and has nothing to do with me! [sad.gif]

  3. OK I understand now that you were sarcastic.....better use our emoticons so to emphasise exactly what you mean! [tonque.gif]

  4. Did you read Andrews message to me? Yes when I signed with my email to download the document the message was there.
  5. It happens on these boards and will continue happening because of their nature. I will be very happy that every post here will be about helping somebody new and between ourselves....... but nobody has asked for help lately, so we go with the flow!

    You can always start new threads.... like you do in RUA [wink.gif]

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Wiz,

While there are many helpful methods, we all use a broker. When you order a pizza, 9 times out of 10 the website is not run by the franchise that delivers it but by an internet branch that takes commission.
In fact this website is not ran by you but through a provider that allows you to use his equipment. My websites, while running on a dedicated server, stil use the dara center and their traffic connections.
So in a way we are using brokers often even if we say not to do so.

Depending on what level of assistance you need (walking yourself to the pizza shop does not require internet or s delivery boy but costs more time) there are various levels of help available. And for each of these there is an existing market.
Should I find myself back in the hunt I would probably look in to the direction of using social networks, which is getting more and more popular all over the world.

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OK.
Can we now please shut this down.
Who gives a rats ar$$e about who is trying to scam who.
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